BITCOIN BULL MATH – Shorting and Percentages

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Published on December 20, 2018
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Let’s talk about the mathematical mechanics of bear and bull cycles and why shorting is important for a mature market!

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  1. doon -

    Good intro for those looking to know. And awesome to hear that you are updating the Solidity section in the programming course Filip! Greatly appreciated 🙂

  2. very good points….. have a plan that is reasonable (backed by reasoning, logic, strategy)….. but also don't regret reducing position too soon.

  3. The last 2 months, I have made over $60,000 from trading bitcoin but my success never started that way as I had made substantial losses before my turning point in the Crypto space. I bought 2Btc last year which quickly rose in the bull run but eventually lost Most of it and sold off what was left. That was the last I would ever have to do with bitcoins until I was introduced to Brandon Gaston first of, he asked to know my trade experience. He then gave me a quick insight on what to Look out for when choosing a platform and a bunch of other things most experienced traders may never tell you. Most importantly, he introduced me to his specially designed layout and provided me with professional advice and accurate trade signals. With his system,Trading has become easy and profitable and I just want to spread the word and thus help as many that are in my previous unfortunate situation. For all questions, you can reach out for his help on this ([email protected] Com) WhatsApp/Skype +* 44 7482877027*

  4. Okay I like the explanation of shorting mechanics but how does bitmex offer anonymous traders leverage when it depends on reliability as a borrower?

  5. Love your show Ivan but please check your math because it's confusing! You both say thirteen thousand (13 000) % which means 130x
    I think it's a language thing as I used to say some nonsense when I first came in the US.

  6. My plan is always derailed by conflicting trading strategies from so called experts. Is the bottom in? Cost averaging is for losers. Only buy the dip in an up trend. Only buy the bottom after confirmed reversal. We will confirm a bull trend after its up 50% over 6 months, 50% in 1 month is a bubble. So much confusion and retrospective analysis. Conclusion: its an unpredictable risk, might go up might go down, thanks for watching!

  7. Maybe that is why we have had the three 10% pumps the last 3 days. First, big investors pumped it, and then an ocean of shorters pumped it again by desperately buying into a pump they didn't expect.

  8. Plan is very important! Must know ahead of time when to enter and exit. Trend trading works well for some people.

  9. As long as you don't accept lightning payment I cannot accept your offer to visit/book your course/academy. I know it's a bear market, but don't you wanna teach some people that are actually really willing?

  10. why do you sell your academy for fiat?

  11. Hey swedes; You don't lend from. You borrow from, and lend to!
    Dee on language 😉

  12. OOOOOOOOOOOOO the FOMOboat is getting at the FOMOrocket!!!  Countdown 10…9…8… Don't miss the FOMO rocket that will take us to the MOOOON!!!

  13. S

    All that matters is how many BTC you have.

  14. I loved this video guys! Great job Ivan & Phillip & thank you so much. 🙂

  15. Why does it say "girl power" on the door of the room you're discussing this serious man stuff in?

  16. don't short now… there's only 3% room to go down which is unlikely to happen. risk-reward for shorters is unfavorable… we'll be able to buy more with less coins 😀

  17. Ivan Please help translate icons new yellow paper regarding staking and proof of contribution

  18. I have smashed the likes.

  19. guys,do an ivan on tech-phillip editon…he is good in explaining the financial stuff and markets…

  20. When speaking please slow down as it is difficult to understand

  21. Your guest explained some concepts that I’ve been confused about. Thanks for having him on.

  22. I have a plan, it's buy low and sell high!

    All kidding aside, your point about having a plan going in is very good and folks should take heed of your sage insights with regards to that. One should keep in mind that this is speculating as well and use that lense when looking at how much money to risk in relation to your overall net worth and financial situation.

    RULE #1 – Aim small, miss small. When potential gains are bifurcated between zero and thousands of percent gains you want to bet SMALL……BECAUSE you are GOING to lose every penny on some of your bets possibly even all of them. It only takes one or two out of ten to change your finances in ways it is hard to believe.

    I would add one more simple rule of thumb on how to handle these speculations. If you have followed RULE #1, then the safest way to handle your winners is to SELL half your initial stake once you reach a double. After that you have no risk in the trade and can let it run.

    There are as many variations of this exit strategy as there are folks who use it, but the general rule is – get to the house's money as quickly as possible and then take BACK your capital to put to work elsewhere…..wash …rinse….repeat…

    This added concept taken to the extreme could induce a fellow to say that the only HODLing you should do is out of PROFITS from the type of winning trades I describe above. Once you have the goodies for 'free' – what's the hurry….it costs nothing and you have your original cheddar back on the kitchen table to do with as you please….

    I loved the discussion of shorting too guys….Good stuff! If you want an excellent primer on the ins and outs of how a short squeeze works you can also watch the old movie "Trading Places". It's a hilarious and entertaining way to see it all unfold in 'real time'.

  23. satya j

    Shorts explained simply and well, great video

  24. I find the simple fact of your discussion of this topic to be depressing. It lends credence to the idea that the purchase of BTC is somehow an investment. It's not. Investment is the purchase of debt or equity with the expectation of a yield. Speculation is the purchase of a property that you think will be useful — thus commercially valuable — in the future.

    I buy BTC because I think that, as money, it's superior to coins claiming to be gold — coins stamped with the emperor's image to vouch for weight and purity. I am speculating that in the future, OTHER PEOPLE WILL ALSO THINK BTC IS SUPERIOR. When it's expensive, I buy little. When it's cheap, I buy a lot. Every month. Looking at its day-to-day market value is like buying a house and reading the daily real estate listings to see what it's "worth".

    A person who looks at worldwide weather patterns to determine where to buy real estate might decide that expensive property in southern Florida — which will soon (in historical perspective) be underwater — is not the place to buy. A place in the north that was previously considered "too cold" might be a good place to begin. But northern places will have unforeseen weather problems, too. It's a complex project and requires a lot of science. If, after sufficient study, one finds that a certain area meets criteria, they should start buying property there, as their pocket and local markets permit, and forget about the price after the purchase is made. Jacob Astor bought the wastelands of northern Manhattan, speculating that its limited space, surrounded by rivers that lead to deep water ports on the ocean, would make it valuable. He was correct, and he made lots of money. "Investors" who piled into the Florida land craze bought swamps, having failed to understand what they were doing. They lost lots of money.

    By discussing the current exchange value of BTC as if it were a security, you guys give credibility to a stupid way of looking at this emerging phenomenon. I expect that from Trevon, not you. If you want to talk about shorts and stocks, get involved in equity markets. (Shorts for retail investors are stupid there too, but there's no law against stupidity. We must remember that in a long, you can lose only what you put in. In a short, you can lose more than you could earn in a lifetime.) If I study music at a conservatory, I don't expect professors to waste my time and money teaching house music. IvanOnTech has been the conservatory in this space, and "discussions" such as this should be left to Steve Kaaru, Pedro Febrero, and the other CryptoJerks.

    So, I'm sorry. Today I'll press the first ThumbsDown button I have pressed since the icon was invented.

    We all make mistakes, and today's is understandable, but please stick to reality. I can get junk in lots of other places.

    Merry Christmas.


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